those living in the west indies in massachusetts writing back to exactoverseers with very ascriptions of the age, gender, and type a personality they want . one writes, i lost my boy, meaning he died, and i want to replace them with another. therefore, you also end up with a slave trade across the atlantic which deals in human beings, but about 20% of which are children. i explore one of those voyages in the book in which dozens of children, some as young as two and three years old, are held captive on board and died over the journey. that was a living sting -- livingston investment, who go on to become founders of the professor endowment at yale, trustees at princeton and rutgers. not talked much about rutgers. tell us about rutgers. >> it is a fascinating institution for a lot of reasons. the original queens college which is a dutch reformed areege, the dutch colonists establishing their own constitution. as we all know, it is quite close to the college of new jersey. winston is originally founded in the eastern part of the state near newark and then the governor helps to settle in